here it was sam johnson, congressman from texas who posed a simple question and why is it that the union representing the treasury employees are trying to get out from under obama care. why is it that they're afraid of this when they're given the task of implementing it. the irs commissioner was actually very frank. he said look, i like the coverage i have. i don't want to go into the exchange. that's exactly what he said. there's no other way to characterize had. >> the coverage that he's not particularly fond of, the obama care, do members of congress have obama care, will they have it and whether their staff have it? >> members of congress and their staff are in obama care. they're in the exchange. >> at least they're taken care of. >> right. >> what did you want today from -- why was he testifying today? >> we had two people who were testifying. one is mr. cohen in charge of the implementation at cms, at health and human services and the other was werfel who we've heard from before, the acting director of the irs. in terms of cms, look, they have a fraud rate of about 8% on medicare